Comments on: Is NLP Manipulative? http://nlpco.com/news/2008/05/15/is-nlp-manipulative/ You and NLP: The Interface Thu, 20 Nov 2008 00:16:23 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: tom http://nlpco.com/news/2008/05/15/is-nlp-manipulative/#comment-248 tom Wed, 23 Jul 2008 20:17:43 +0000 http://nlpco.com/news/?p=18#comment-248 Hi Ed, Yes, the integrity or lack thereof comes down to intent, IMHO. It does take some effort to overcome the semantic loading in the word manipulation itself, as Al pointed out. Cheers, Tom Hi Ed,

Yes, the integrity or lack thereof comes down to intent, IMHO. It does take some effort to overcome the semantic loading in the word manipulation itself, as Al pointed out.

Cheers,
Tom

]]> By: Noah http://nlpco.com/news/2008/05/15/is-nlp-manipulative/#comment-115 Noah Tue, 01 Jul 2008 20:44:34 +0000 http://nlpco.com/news/?p=18#comment-115 Hm. No, NLP is not necessarily manipulative. Leading people to actions is manipulative. Leading people into states that allow uncertain actions is not manipulative, or at least less so. The expectations behind an NLP'ers intervention holds clues as well, when the distinction between actions and states becomes troublesome. Hm.

No, NLP is not necessarily manipulative. Leading people to actions is manipulative. Leading people into states that allow uncertain actions is not manipulative, or at least less so. The expectations behind an NLP’ers intervention holds clues as well, when the distinction between actions and states becomes troublesome.

]]> By: Ed Redard, M.D. http://nlpco.com/news/2008/05/15/is-nlp-manipulative/#comment-76 Ed Redard, M.D. Sat, 21 Jun 2008 20:44:54 +0000 http://nlpco.com/news/?p=18#comment-76 Thanks Tom! It has been said that we are all being "manipulative" all of the time...in fact there is no other state to be in. As we go through life shaping our outside world we are "manipulating" it. So it appears it all comes done to intent...doesn't it? Ed Redard, M.D. Manipulating with gusto Thanks Tom!

It has been said that we are all being “manipulative” all of the time…in fact there is no other state to be in. As we go through life shaping our outside world we are “manipulating” it. So it appears it all comes done to intent…doesn’t it?

Ed Redard, M.D.
Manipulating with gusto

]]> By: Al Konigsfeld http://nlpco.com/news/2008/05/15/is-nlp-manipulative/#comment-12 Al Konigsfeld Sun, 18 May 2008 21:36:53 +0000 http://nlpco.com/news/?p=18#comment-12 Two other points about the illogic of the original argument. First, the term "manipulation" is what Korzybski would call "semantically loaded", that is, it has an emotional charge unconnected with it's actual meaning. A graphic way to phrase the arument would be manipulation=bad, NLP=manipulation, therfore NLP=bad. Second, the way the argument is phrased presupposes that only NLP is manipulative. It falsly divides the world into NLP based communications (bad) and non-NLP communications (good). We all know that any communication can be manipulative, whether NLP based or not. As Tom stated, these techniques (semantic loading and presuppositional language) are hard to spot without NLP training, and are being used by the media daily. Two other points about the illogic of the original argument. First, the term “manipulation” is what Korzybski would call “semantically loaded”, that is, it has an emotional charge unconnected with it’s actual meaning. A graphic way to phrase the arument would be manipulation=bad, NLP=manipulation, therfore NLP=bad. Second, the way the argument is phrased presupposes that only NLP is manipulative. It falsly divides the world into NLP based communications (bad) and non-NLP communications (good). We all know that any communication can be manipulative, whether NLP based or not.

As Tom stated, these techniques (semantic loading and presuppositional language) are hard to spot without NLP training, and are being used by the media daily.

]]> By: Deb Amato http://nlpco.com/news/2008/05/15/is-nlp-manipulative/#comment-5 Deb Amato Fri, 16 May 2008 15:16:49 +0000 http://nlpco.com/news/?p=18#comment-5 Hi, The information in this writing is right on target! It all comes down to manipulation vs. teaching, mentoring, role model, etc... What the meaning of the word manipulation is to the individual is the key. Manipulation to control or exploit for ones own benefit Is very different from manipulation meaning to manage with skill for the betterment of someone or something. This was well and insightful. Can't wait to go through the whole series! Hi,
The information in this writing is right on target! It all comes down to manipulation vs. teaching, mentoring, role model, etc…
What the meaning of the word manipulation is to the individual is the key. Manipulation to control or exploit for ones own benefit Is very different from manipulation meaning to manage with skill for the betterment of someone or something. This was well and insightful. Can’t wait to go through the whole series!

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